Locker Troubles

MORROWMUDDER · 02-14-2008, 06:27 PM

howdy all, im trying to put in a locker in a GM 10 bolt and an having problems with getting the center spacer to fit over the axle enough to get my C-clip in, was wondering if it is a common problem and i just need to screw with it enough to get it in or what. everything else fits fine. any ideas or suggestions would be great!! thanks!!!

75K30 · 02-14-2008, 06:49 PM

Not too sure what you are refering to, "center spacer"???? What is that?
How far have you shoved the axle Into the carrier? Many times when the C-clip does not want to fit, the axle is just not pushed in far enough.

MORROWMUDDER · 02-15-2008, 09:09 AM

the center spacer is what the driver gear slides over, the end of the axle shaft, it wants to fit, it is only a hair away from fitting. this hole project has been testing my last nerve for 2 months now im ready to trash the whole thing.

75K30 · 02-15-2008, 09:40 AM

What style locker are you using? Are you using a "lunch box" locker, or have you upgraded to something like Detroits "C" locker?They both still utilize side gears to make the connection with each axle, and once is a while the axle needs a little help to obtain the proper clearance.As I mentioned above, it is entirely possible that the axle is not in far enough. Did you replace the axle bearings at all during this upgrade? Is it possible that the bearing was not installed all the way into the axle tube? Difficult to tell if the seal is on there, but if they have been changed and are new, you may find your trouble here.There should be plenty of room to install, and remove the "C-clip" once everything is correct.

MORROWMUDDER · 02-15-2008, 04:25 PM

i put a master bearing and seal kit in the axle, everything is as snug as it can be, im putting in a lock right locker, had a price range to stay in, i try pushing the axle in as far as i can get it but still not enough room. was wondering if i could shave off a hair of the axle or spacer to make it fit.

75K30 · 02-15-2008, 07:41 PM

I have to admit that I have done this a timeor two, but I was very aprehensive about this. Never should there be a requirement for this, as the mahining tolerances are pretty good, and there has to be something installed incorrectly, or something that is not right.
At first glance, I would suspect that the thrust washers behind the side gears are too think, and if you shave down the c-clip, you will get a locker with very odd engagement behavior.
The install instructions were very specific about this. IS it possible that there is something out of spec here?

crabtruck · 02-16-2008, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 75K30

....the thrust washers behind the side gears are too think ...

Hey 75, are you trying to get credit either way - thin or thick ?? LOL j/k
first time I read it I thought you meant too much angst, not enough sledge.
Means I have nothing to add when I'm doing spell checks....

MORROWMUDDER · 02-16-2008, 09:45 AM

acutally the washers are the smame ones that came out of it, so if anything they should be worn down and be to thin than to thick. i took the axle completely out of the houseing and tried to fit the center spacer over the axle with nothing in my way just to see if it would fit in the first place and still nothing. ready to put the spider gears back in it and weld the SOB!!

MORROWMUDDER · 02-19-2008, 08:45 AM

OK i kinda feel a little stupid, but at least im not the only one who was wrong, what scares me the most is the guys at the off road shop i want to did'nt know what was going on or how to correctly install it either. but i got it all straightened out. thanks alot for the help and interest.

MORROWMUDDER · 02-21-2008, 04:10 PM

got new axle installed with my locker in it and i cant even start to explain the difference it made, the places i can go and the things i can now do in 2 wheel that i'd have to be in 4 wheel to do is amazing. sure i got more money than i'd like to of spent on it put in it but now that i have it is totally worth it!!

02-14-2008, 06:27 PM	#1
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	Locker Troubles howdy all, im trying to put in a locker in a GM 10 bolt and an having problems with getting the center spacer to fit over the axle enough to get my C-clip in, was wondering if it is a common problem and i just need to screw with it enough to get it in or what. everything else fits fine. any ideas or suggestions would be great!! thanks!!!

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02-14-2008, 06:49 PM	#2
75K30 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,535	Not too sure what you are refering to, "center spacer"???? What is that? How far have you shoved the axle Into the carrier? Many times when the C-clip does not want to fit, the axle is just not pushed in far enough.

02-15-2008, 09:09 AM	#3
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	the center spacer is what the driver gear slides over, the end of the axle shaft, it wants to fit, it is only a hair away from fitting. this hole project has been testing my last nerve for 2 months now im ready to trash the whole thing.

02-15-2008, 09:40 AM	#4
75K30 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,535	What style locker are you using? Are you using a "lunch box" locker, or have you upgraded to something like Detroits "C" locker?They both still utilize side gears to make the connection with each axle, and once is a while the axle needs a little help to obtain the proper clearance.As I mentioned above, it is entirely possible that the axle is not in far enough. Did you replace the axle bearings at all during this upgrade? Is it possible that the bearing was not installed all the way into the axle tube? Difficult to tell if the seal is on there, but if they have been changed and are new, you may find your trouble here.There should be plenty of room to install, and remove the "C-clip" once everything is correct.

02-15-2008, 04:25 PM	#5
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	i put a master bearing and seal kit in the axle, everything is as snug as it can be, im putting in a lock right locker, had a price range to stay in, i try pushing the axle in as far as i can get it but still not enough room. was wondering if i could shave off a hair of the axle or spacer to make it fit.

02-15-2008, 07:41 PM	#6
75K30 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,535	I have to admit that I have done this a timeor two, but I was very aprehensive about this. Never should there be a requirement for this, as the mahining tolerances are pretty good, and there has to be something installed incorrectly, or something that is not right. At first glance, I would suspect that the thrust washers behind the side gears are too think, and if you shave down the c-clip, you will get a locker with very odd engagement behavior. The install instructions were very specific about this. IS it possible that there is something out of spec here?

02-16-2008, 09:45 AM	#8
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	acutally the washers are the smame ones that came out of it, so if anything they should be worn down and be to thin than to thick. i took the axle completely out of the houseing and tried to fit the center spacer over the axle with nothing in my way just to see if it would fit in the first place and still nothing. ready to put the spider gears back in it and weld the SOB!!

02-19-2008, 08:45 AM	#9
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	OK i kinda feel a little stupid, but at least im not the only one who was wrong, what scares me the most is the guys at the off road shop i want to did'nt know what was going on or how to correctly install it either. but i got it all straightened out. thanks alot for the help and interest.

02-21-2008, 04:10 PM	#10
MORROWMUDDER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio/Montana Posts: 114	got new axle installed with my locker in it and i cant even start to explain the difference it made, the places i can go and the things i can now do in 2 wheel that i'd have to be in 4 wheel to do is amazing. sure i got more money than i'd like to of spent on it put in it but now that i have it is totally worth it!!