bombardier atv sunk

724x4 · 05-27-2009, 01:14 PM

well, after blowin my 4wd actuator on my truck, smokin a clutch on my buddies dodge, and getting our ***** ripped for taking my buddies wifes z71 tahoe through the hole you think we'd learn our lesson.... long story short.... my buddies bombardier 4 wheeler got sunk last night right up to the bottom of the seat and died in the water..... it will start now but it will only run at idle if you nurse the throttle as if to keep it running, max throttle and there's no change in rpm just idle.... if you barely let off the throttle as if to put it in normal ideling position the wheeler dies..... it also will not move in gear.... while idleing if you put it in drive low reverse she just dont respond like its goin in gear...... was wonderin what we need to do so we dont totally mess that wheeler up for good... and what needs to be done typically to make it right and whats causing it to act like its in some kind of "emergency mode" where it dont want to rev up or drive... none the less im open to suggestions

75K30 · 05-27-2009, 01:26 PM

Did you drain the water out? How does the oil look? These are wet clutch systems and they dont mean wet from water. A friction clutch will not function if water is present. This might be your trans problem.
You hydro locked the engine, so what steps did you perform to start it again?
When the cylinder filled with water and the piston stopped moving, did you crank it again? Any odd noises coming from the engine?
Depending on the year, you may have a parking brake rev limiter on the thing so make sure that you are not trying to rev the engine with the parking brake engaged.
several lines of these bikes are injected, so there are several sensors that do not like water. We dont know what kind of bike you have here so everything is speculation.
IN any case this much water is not a great deal

724x4 · 05-27-2009, 02:09 PM

i believe it is either an 06 or 07 model outlander...... i think its around 600cc..... the oil is going to need to be changed without a doubt.. when i started getting deep in the water she started bogging down and then quit.... i didnt attempt to start in the water.... we pulled it out... like i said the water was up to the seat.... we got it out and let it sit for 30-45 min..... went to start it and like i said you have to crack to the throttle barely to get it running and keep it running.... in addition on the speedo all the lights are illuminating park drive reverse...... was wondering if the thing has some sort of computer induced emergency mode to keep from ****ing it up that could be reset by unhooking the battery.... no unusual noises cranking it, it has a carburator but the think is packed in there so tight i cant even see if it has a petcock to drain the bowl..... just wonderin what all my options are before i have another bill i really cant afford right now

72'CaminoKid · 05-27-2009, 02:55 PM

are u sure thats not a fuel injected? lets get back to what happened. you may have said it and i read over it, did any water get in through the intake? did exhaust go under water?

724x4 · 05-27-2009, 03:25 PM

oh yeah, the water was up to the seat..... as in the only dry spots were the tops of the racks and the top of the seat........... there was some water when i pulled the air box apart about 5 hrs ago in the air box.... but very little.... i think that was just residual that leaked in while she was a submarine...... i honestly dont think it ran much water into it i think it just got choked off due to no air..... like i said the damnedst thing right now is how it runs currently... or lets say post submersion..... you can start it and it will sit there runing at an idle but you have to keep the throttle cracked... and if you open the throttle all the way up it dosnt dog down the motor or rev up it just stays at that constant rpm....i dont know.... i know there was no catastrophic failure of rotating assembly components because it sounds good turning over.... sounds good ideling... it just wont rev up any nor will it even recognize going into a gear.... you put it in low, high, reverse, it dont have that little jump to it like it just popped into gear....

724x4 · 05-27-2009, 03:29 PM

in addition..... to restate something i posted back in post #3.... on the speedo when the key is turned on and its running all the indicator lights are staying on at the same time.... drive light, low gear light, 4wd light and reverse light......

stumpuller454 · 05-27-2009, 05:31 PM

check the fuses, friends of mine had a bummed fuse doing something like that new. my bro has an 800 outlander, has problems with oil leaks....

72'CaminoKid · 05-27-2009, 05:58 PM

just wasnt sure if intake exhaust were stock, we snorkle all our intakes and raise the exhaust. could of gunked up the carb or a fuel line of some sort thats only letting it get enough gas to idle. but i'd bet more than likely its got something to do with electronic (spark) because the issue of all your instruments and what not staying on

semocoachworks · 05-27-2009, 06:48 PM

A buddy of mine sunk his ice fishing and we completely drained everything. We took the dash assembly off and layed it by a hair dryer for a while. New fluids, cleaned out the carb, took spark plug out and wd-40'd the cylinder, pulled exhaust and muffler and blew air through to get water out of baffles etc. New plug, gas, oil, and gearbox fluid and it ran good again. It was never cranked after it filled with water. Lots of compressed air and a hair dryer.

724x4 · 05-28-2009, 09:34 AM

well i got it all apart but it runs..... the clutch cover was full of water... and i mean full..... i must have had 2 gallons dump out as i was taking the screws out on it..... which explains for the machine not revving up or wanting to idel on its own since the drive clutch was spinning in the water and essentially had a major load on it.... pulled the spark plug and spun the engine over and did not get much if any water out.... i wd'd it anyways to play it safe and displace any water that may have got in there...... just dumped the oil last night and let it drip out over night fixin to put her back together now

05-27-2009, 01:14 PM	#1
724x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Posts: 50	bombardier atv sunk well, after blowin my 4wd actuator on my truck, smokin a clutch on my buddies dodge, and getting our ***** ripped for taking my buddies wifes z71 tahoe through the hole you think we'd learn our lesson.... long story short.... my buddies bombardier 4 wheeler got sunk last night right up to the bottom of the seat and died in the water..... it will start now but it will only run at idle if you nurse the throttle as if to keep it running, max throttle and there's no change in rpm just idle.... if you barely let off the throttle as if to put it in normal ideling position the wheeler dies..... it also will not move in gear.... while idleing if you put it in drive low reverse she just dont respond like its goin in gear...... was wonderin what we need to do so we dont totally mess that wheeler up for good... and what needs to be done typically to make it right and whats causing it to act like its in some kind of "emergency mode" where it dont want to rev up or drive... none the less im open to suggestions

05-27-2009, 02:55 PM	#4
72'CaminoKid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,753	are u sure thats not a fuel injected? lets get back to what happened. you may have said it and i read over it, did any water get in through the intake? did exhaust go under water? __________________ 99 suburban xlt 96 silverado 91 wrangler (my baby ) 08 Honday shadow 750 (my mistress)

05-27-2009, 05:31 PM	#7
stumpuller454 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Grande Prairie, AB Posts: 2,042	check the fuses, friends of mine had a bummed fuse doing something like that new. my bro has an 800 outlander, has problems with oil leaks.... __________________ SUPERCHARGED 454 K2500 GMC! 450hp and 600ft/lbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ27RJHfJKE "sailing with Captain Morgan often!"

05-27-2009, 05:58 PM	#8
72'CaminoKid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,753	just wasnt sure if intake exhaust were stock, we snorkle all our intakes and raise the exhaust. could of gunked up the carb or a fuel line of some sort thats only letting it get enough gas to idle. but i'd bet more than likely its got something to do with electronic (spark) because the issue of all your instruments and what not staying on __________________ 99 suburban xlt 96 silverado 91 wrangler (my baby ) 08 Honday shadow 750 (my mistress)

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05-27-2009, 01:26 PM	#2
75K30 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,992	Did you drain the water out? How does the oil look? These are wet clutch systems and they dont mean wet from water. A friction clutch will not function if water is present. This might be your trans problem. You hydro locked the engine, so what steps did you perform to start it again? When the cylinder filled with water and the piston stopped moving, did you crank it again? Any odd noises coming from the engine? Depending on the year, you may have a parking brake rev limiter on the thing so make sure that you are not trying to rev the engine with the parking brake engaged. several lines of these bikes are injected, so there are several sensors that do not like water. We dont know what kind of bike you have here so everything is speculation. IN any case this much water is not a great deal

05-27-2009, 02:09 PM	#3
724x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Posts: 50	i believe it is either an 06 or 07 model outlander...... i think its around 600cc..... the oil is going to need to be changed without a doubt.. when i started getting deep in the water she started bogging down and then quit.... i didnt attempt to start in the water.... we pulled it out... like i said the water was up to the seat.... we got it out and let it sit for 30-45 min..... went to start it and like i said you have to crack to the throttle barely to get it running and keep it running.... in addition on the speedo all the lights are illuminating park drive reverse...... was wondering if the thing has some sort of computer induced emergency mode to keep from ****ing it up that could be reset by unhooking the battery.... no unusual noises cranking it, it has a carburator but the think is packed in there so tight i cant even see if it has a petcock to drain the bowl..... just wonderin what all my options are before i have another bill i really cant afford right now

05-27-2009, 03:25 PM	#5
724x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Posts: 50	oh yeah, the water was up to the seat..... as in the only dry spots were the tops of the racks and the top of the seat........... there was some water when i pulled the air box apart about 5 hrs ago in the air box.... but very little.... i think that was just residual that leaked in while she was a submarine...... i honestly dont think it ran much water into it i think it just got choked off due to no air..... like i said the damnedst thing right now is how it runs currently... or lets say post submersion..... you can start it and it will sit there runing at an idle but you have to keep the throttle cracked... and if you open the throttle all the way up it dosnt dog down the motor or rev up it just stays at that constant rpm....i dont know.... i know there was no catastrophic failure of rotating assembly components because it sounds good turning over.... sounds good ideling... it just wont rev up any nor will it even recognize going into a gear.... you put it in low, high, reverse, it dont have that little jump to it like it just popped into gear....

05-27-2009, 03:29 PM	#6
724x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Posts: 50	in addition..... to restate something i posted back in post #3.... on the speedo when the key is turned on and its running all the indicator lights are staying on at the same time.... drive light, low gear light, 4wd light and reverse light......

05-27-2009, 06:48 PM	#9
semocoachworks Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: rapid city, sd Posts: 420	A buddy of mine sunk his ice fishing and we completely drained everything. We took the dash assembly off and layed it by a hair dryer for a while. New fluids, cleaned out the carb, took spark plug out and wd-40'd the cylinder, pulled exhaust and muffler and blew air through to get water out of baffles etc. New plug, gas, oil, and gearbox fluid and it ran good again. It was never cranked after it filled with water. Lots of compressed air and a hair dryer.

05-28-2009, 09:34 AM	#10
724x4 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Posts: 50	well i got it all apart but it runs..... the clutch cover was full of water... and i mean full..... i must have had 2 gallons dump out as i was taking the screws out on it..... which explains for the machine not revving up or wanting to idel on its own since the drive clutch was spinning in the water and essentially had a major load on it.... pulled the spark plug and spun the engine over and did not get much if any water out.... i wd'd it anyways to play it safe and displace any water that may have got in there...... just dumped the oil last night and let it drip out over night fixin to put her back together now