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[Crmzendrgone]

Originally Posted by hotrodpc

Whew !!! Thanks for rescuing me on that one John. I thought I used wrong terminology or didn't know what I was talking about. I had always heard them called auto locking hubs or full time hubs. It seems to me that most of the heavy duty 4x4'ers like the manual or part time hubs better. If I go with a NP205 and Turbo400 in this project, is it true, I will also want Part time hubs? Do I even have a choice with that Xfer case??

Ok I am new to 4x4 and have only ever driven new style, either I push a button or like in my truck I just pull the lever. So what is different from new and old????

[hotrodpc]

The older is a staight axle like a rear end up front. You have a shift lever in the floor, and you can have either full time auto, or part time manual hubs where you have to get out and lock them in up front. Also 2 driveshafts, 1 for front one for rear. The new, is usually a transaxle type transfer case like a front wheel drive car with independant suspension, and a push button transfer case selector. Also you have 1 driveshaft to the rear, and 2 CV axles like front wheel drive car to the front hubs.
Makes sense, or did I screw that explanation up???

[ErwinRommel]

Originally Posted by hotrodpc

The older is a staight axle like a rear end up front. You have a shift lever in the floor, and you can have either full time auto, or part time manual hubs where you have to get out and lock them in up front. Also 2 driveshafts, 1 for front one for rear. The new, is usually a transaxle type transfer case like a front wheel drive car with independant suspension, and a push button transfer case selector. Also you have 1 driveshaft to the rear, and 2 CV axles like front wheel drive car to the front hubs.
Makes sense, or did I screw that explanation up???

It is correct.

New trucks got the CV joint axles. Lazy people rather push a button.

[Crmzendrgone]

Umm yes and maybe. So on mine I know there is an actuator cause I have had to replace it, it actuates what? Let me say this, when i pull the lever on the floor and the indicator light becomes lite, what have I just done; told the computer to ingauge some mechanism or what. I understand having to get out and lock the hubs, you are physically locking the hubs to the axles right? so what does that function in mine when I pull the lever?

[hotrodpc]

I dunno, maybe your lever is a switch, becuase usually the type that have the actuactor, that actuator takes the place of linkage to a shifter. The actuator is what engages the transfer case into 4high, 4Low, N etc.

[Crmzendrgone]

Well I know it does that part but maybe there is a swith it makes contact with cause when I put the tcase in action I still did not have the front diff in action. I will take some pics tomorrow during the day and hopefully that can clear things up for us.

[mrjohnwayne]

Originally Posted by hotrodpc

Yes, I think I am going to prefer manual part time hubs. I just think it will give me more control over what I want to do.

Now why you go teasing me like that MrJW? Proabably just because you can. Next you will be telling me you have the 6 lug axles and drums for my 9.5 rear end too. Its currently set up with 8 lugs that came out of a 84 Scottsdale C20. Have I ever told you, that you are my favorite Moderator???

"""Hmmm, wondering if that's laying it on thick enough"""

no don't have any 9.5 stuff at all... And yes it's pretty thick.... LOL

Originally Posted by hotrodpc

And to add insult, I bet that Dana 44 has manual hubs already too.

Yes it does. It was build with all new parts (hub bearings, diff nearings seals etc...) and the only thing with wear would be the hub bearings. The front driveshaft has never been installed (but that is another story)

Originally Posted by ErwinRommel

People say if you run big tires, you need to swap to Dana 60s.

That's why I'm looking for a 60... Although I have seen alot of people have great success with a D44 and 35-36 inch tires in mud and decent trails, but a D44 just won't hold up to rock crawling and other abusive sports etc...

[hotrodpc]

What do Dana 60 fronts come in as standard equipment?, other than Ford since the only rear end they can build right is a 9inch. I am assuming Chev or GMC 1 ton 4x4 models only? I am thinking a Dana 44 will work for me. I will not be rock crawling. Just hill climbing and occasional mud hole in a road. As with anything, there are pro's and cons. I hear with Dana 60 you lose some ground clearance over the Dana 44. Makes sense bigger carrier and cover, duhhh !!! OR is that someone just saying that to try and talk me out of using a Dana 60? I can already tell, I am going to end up spending more money on a front axle for this truck than I did the whole truck. But, first things first. I am just trying to gather all my knowledge and what to be keeping my eye open for. Otherwise, my first intnet is transfer case, then trans and engine. Probably in the order too. Once I get that done, I will run it with the standard equipment that is in it now, 10 bolt front and rear with 3.08. Probalby going to spend more on the Xfer case too than I did the whole truck.

[bradrhale]

Originally Posted by mrjohnwayne

That's why I'm looking for a 60... Although I have seen alot of people have great success with a D44 and 35-36 inch tires in mud and decent trails, but a D44 just won't hold up to rock crawling and other abusive sports etc...

a d44 sits higher up off the ground than a d60. wouldnt this make it a great candidate for a rock crawler?? i understand that a 60 is stronger but protection of the pumpkin is another key that has to be factored in with it.

[hotrodpc]

I think you need to expalin why it sits higher off the ground. You can make someone think their truck will sit taller in the front end with your statement. Its clearance is higher off the ground becasue the pumpkin is smaller is all. It will not make the truck ride height any taller. Rock Crawling from my understanding is very brutal on the front end and axles. So you have to give up the clearance to get the strength or you will forever break axles. Simply why you have to have tall tires for rock crawlers, and probably a skid plate on the pumpkin.