1999 Exp 2WD 5.4L - Plastic pieces in oil pan! - Page 2

BernieB · 09-28-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mjbtn

oh yeah, in talking with shops around my area, what would one describe this scenario to be and/or what would one call this "job" when asking for a quote?

Just describe it the way it is... "I've got a '99 Expedition with a 5.4L. I found pieces of what looks like the right timing chain guide in the oil pan and now the engine is misfiring. How much to install a chain kit on it?"

BernieB · 09-28-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mjbtn

I forgot abou the link thing. Oops. Was trying to save bandwidth.

Looks like the mods pulled the entire post, not just the link. Just so people following the thread understand what we're talking about I'll just do a quick recap.

After finding the pieces in the pan the motor was running good so you put it on ramps, bolted the pan back (with no leaks) and did an oil change. Now the motor has a misfire at idle and is running rough. That about it?

mjbtn · 09-28-2009, 11:55 AM

yep. the main thing that had puzzled me was that the ONLY thing changed after turning it off on the ramps (running smoothly) was taking the pan off, removing the pieces and what sediment I could, then replacing the pan and adding oil. Started it up and it was running rough. But, oil flow through the take up was not unobstructed, so, what I was wondering was if now that oil pressure and flow was "normal" again, would that possibly have manifested/amplified something else (like the right timing chain slipping a notch or two)??

BernieB · 09-28-2009, 12:16 PM

That's difficult to say, but we do know that the timing chain on the right bank has "problems", so it wouldn't be an unreasonable coincidence if it chose that particular moment to really start "going south".

mjbtn · 09-28-2009, 03:43 PM

Any idea what a repair like this should average in a shop??

leolkfrm · 09-28-2009, 04:04 PM

when they do the chains, they should also pull the pan again and check for more parts

BernieB · 09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbtn

Any idea what a repair like this should average in a shop??

I'd have to look at the book to see how many hours it's listed for, but I'm not in that business any longer and I don't have any current labor guide software. Maybe one of the other guys on here does.

mjbtn · 09-29-2009, 07:38 AM

I am thinking about subscribing to helminc.com for a short term to gain access to all the shop information for my '99 Expedition. I recall seeing that they include a Labor Guide in the package. I take it these provide fairly accurate estimates of labor required? What is a typical/fair hourly rate for shop labor these days?

BernieB · 09-29-2009, 09:04 AM

I've seen labor rates as low as $65hr and as high as $125hr, depending on the location and market.

bradrhale · 09-29-2009, 11:53 AM

80 an hour in the region. county with 65K residents. this is at the ford place. different shops have different prices.

09-28-2009, 12:16 PM	#14
BernieB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 1,906	That's difficult to say, but we do know that the timing chain on the right bank has "problems", so it wouldn't be an unreasonable coincidence if it chose that particular moment to really start "going south". __________________ If the guys who design 'em had to take one home, use it every day for 2 years, and do all the maint and repairs themselves, cars would have a button on the dash to change the oil, filters & plugs.

09-28-2009, 04:04 PM	#16
leolkfrm Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: N.Y. Posts: 4,300	when they do the chains, they should also pull the pan again and check for more parts __________________ 4 wheels move the body 2 wheels move the soul B.W.A.I

09-29-2009, 09:04 AM	#19
BernieB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 1,906	I've seen labor rates as low as $65hr and as high as $125hr, depending on the location and market. __________________ If the guys who design 'em had to take one home, use it every day for 2 years, and do all the maint and repairs themselves, cars would have a button on the dash to change the oil, filters & plugs.

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09-28-2009, 11:55 AM	#13
mjbtn Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	yep. the main thing that had puzzled me was that the ONLY thing changed after turning it off on the ramps (running smoothly) was taking the pan off, removing the pieces and what sediment I could, then replacing the pan and adding oil. Started it up and it was running rough. But, oil flow through the take up was not unobstructed, so, what I was wondering was if now that oil pressure and flow was "normal" again, would that possibly have manifested/amplified something else (like the right timing chain slipping a notch or two)??

09-28-2009, 03:43 PM	#15
mjbtn Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	Any idea what a repair like this should average in a shop??

09-29-2009, 07:38 AM	#18
mjbtn Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	I am thinking about subscribing to helminc.com for a short term to gain access to all the shop information for my '99 Expedition. I recall seeing that they include a Labor Guide in the package. I take it these provide fairly accurate estimates of labor required? What is a typical/fair hourly rate for shop labor these days?

09-29-2009, 11:53 AM	#20
bradrhale Senior Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 8,030	80 an hour in the region. county with 65K residents. this is at the ford place. different shops have different prices.