'97 5.7L Vortec timing reset question

jesusdrivesagmc · 10-27-2007, 04:49 PM

I replaced that lower intake manifold gaskets and an exhaust manifold gasket, and am buttoning back up the engine...and I can't the engine to get into the right timing. It runs rough, and when I put a timing light on it, the timing mark on the front pulley doesn't budge when I twist the distributor back and forth or even move the distributor shaft a gear tooth either direction. I put the timing light on each spark plug wire and confirmed that all 8 plugs are firing. It seems to me that the computer is nulifying any adjustments that I make to the distributor. What am I missing here?

Christian

mudseeker · 10-27-2007, 05:39 PM

if i remember right, turning the dist. on that engine will not effect timing. i think it needs to be done with a programer.

NCroadracer · 10-27-2007, 08:35 PM

Distributor Installation

<LI type=1>Bring cylinder number one piston to Top Dead Center (TDC) of compression stroke.

<LI type=1>Remove the distributor cap bolts and discard. <LI type=1>Remove the distributor cap.

<LI type=1>Install a NEW distributor gasket onto the distributor.

<LI type=1>Align the indent hole on the driven gear with the paint mark on the distributor housing. <LI type=1>Ensure that the distributor rotor segment points to the cap hold area.

<LI type=1>Align the slotted tang in the oil pump driveshaft with the distributor driveshaft. Rotate the oil pump driveshaft with a screwdriver if necessary. <LI type=1>Align the flat (1) in the distributor housing toward the front of the engine. <LI type=1>Install the distributor and distributor clamp.

<LI type=1>Once the distributor is fully seated, align the distributor rotor segment with the number 8 pointer that is cast into the distributor base. <LI type=1>If the distributor rotor segment does not come within a few degrees of the number 8 pointer, the gear mesh between the distributor and camshaft may be off a tooth or more. Repeat the procedure in order to achieve proper alignment.

Notice: Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.
<LI type=1>Install the distributor clamp bolt.
Tighten
Tighten the distributor clamp bolt to 25 N·m (18 lb ft).

<LI type=1>Install the distributor cap onto the distributor. <LI type=1>Install the NEW distributor cap bolts. Do not overtighten the NEW distributor cap bolts.
Tighten
Tighten the distributor cap bolts to 2.4 N·m (21 lb in).
Install the ignition coil wire harness.

NCroadracer · 10-27-2007, 08:45 PM

The timing is self adjusting up to approx +/- 13*...... It (the distributor) has to be installed correctly though or the PCM cannot achieve correct ignition timing throughout the rpm/load range and will set a p1304... (I think that's the code).

crabtruck · 10-28-2007, 07:39 AM

That's the kinda detailed answer that makes folks willing to pay the big money to be here.
I just hope all our replies don't have to be like that, bar is pretty high. Nice job NC

mrjohnwayne · 10-28-2007, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCroadracer

The timing is self adjusting up to approx +/- 13*...... It (the distributor) has to be installed correctly though or the PCM cannot achieve correct ignition timing throughout the rpm/load range and will set a p1304... (I think that's the code).

Are you sure it's +/- 13*. I thought it was +/- 2*

NCroadracer · 10-29-2007, 11:02 PM

I think its more than that, though the important thing is to achieve a camshaft retard offset of 0* @1000 RPM, and unles the distributor is installed correctly, this will not be possible and a P1345 will set.

mrjohnwayne · 10-30-2007, 07:54 AM

no you are right. I was thinking of the install. it has to be 0* +/- 2*

436'd skylark · 10-30-2007, 05:11 PM

the easiest way to do this is with a scan tool, otherwise you'll probably spend alot of time just guessing, and might get lucky.

andrew4 · 05-23-2009, 11:41 PM

how did you fix this problem

10-27-2007, 04:49 PM	#1
jesusdrivesagmc Full Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	'97 5.7L Vortec timing reset question I replaced that lower intake manifold gaskets and an exhaust manifold gasket, and am buttoning back up the engine...and I can't the engine to get into the right timing. It runs rough, and when I put a timing light on it, the timing mark on the front pulley doesn't budge when I twist the distributor back and forth or even move the distributor shaft a gear tooth either direction. I put the timing light on each spark plug wire and confirmed that all 8 plugs are firing. It seems to me that the computer is nulifying any adjustments that I make to the distributor. What am I missing here? Christian

10-27-2007, 05:39 PM	#2
mudseeker Senior Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 6,368	if i remember right, turning the dist. on that engine will not effect timing. i think it needs to be done with a programer. __________________ i'd rather be hunting

10-27-2007, 08:35 PM	#3
NCroadracer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 295	Distributor Installation <LI type=1>Bring cylinder number one piston to Top Dead Center (TDC) of compression stroke. <LI type=1>Remove the distributor cap bolts and discard. <LI type=1>Remove the distributor cap. <LI type=1>Install a NEW distributor gasket onto the distributor. <LI type=1>Align the indent hole on the driven gear with the paint mark on the distributor housing. <LI type=1>Ensure that the distributor rotor segment points to the cap hold area. <LI type=1>Align the slotted tang in the oil pump driveshaft with the distributor driveshaft. Rotate the oil pump driveshaft with a screwdriver if necessary. <LI type=1>Align the flat (1) in the distributor housing toward the front of the engine. <LI type=1>Install the distributor and distributor clamp. <LI type=1>Once the distributor is fully seated, align the distributor rotor segment with the number 8 pointer that is cast into the distributor base. <LI type=1>If the distributor rotor segment does not come within a few degrees of the number 8 pointer, the gear mesh between the distributor and camshaft may be off a tooth or more. Repeat the procedure in order to achieve proper alignment. Notice: Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems. <LI type=1>Install the distributor clamp bolt. Tighten Tighten the distributor clamp bolt to 25 N·m (18 lb ft). <LI type=1>Install the distributor cap onto the distributor. <LI type=1>Install the NEW distributor cap bolts. Do not overtighten the NEW distributor cap bolts. Tighten Tighten the distributor cap bolts to 2.4 N·m (21 lb in). Install the ignition coil wire harness.

10-30-2007, 07:54 AM	#8
mrjohnwayne Senior Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 3,722	no you are right. I was thinking of the install. it has to be 0* +/- 2* __________________ John Wayne 2000 F-350 7.3L Powerstroke 4x4

10-30-2007, 05:11 PM	#9
436'd skylark Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Buffalo Ny Posts: 661	the easiest way to do this is with a scan tool, otherwise you'll probably spend alot of time just guessing, and might get lucky. __________________ Joe 89 K2500 Chevy, Wee-Oh-five 285K miles, completly rebuilt needs a motor, bad 1962 IHC Scout All Wheel Drive (Scout speak for locking axles) 152 ci, dana everything else

10-27-2007, 08:45 PM	#4
NCroadracer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 295	The timing is self adjusting up to approx +/- 13*...... It (the distributor) has to be installed correctly though or the PCM cannot achieve correct ignition timing throughout the rpm/load range and will set a p1304... (I think that's the code).

10-28-2007, 07:39 AM	#5
crabtruck Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: on your 9 Posts: 3,349	That's the kinda detailed answer that makes folks willing to pay the big money to be here. I just hope all our replies don't have to be like that, bar is pretty high. Nice job NC

10-29-2007, 11:02 PM	#7
NCroadracer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 295	I think its more than that, though the important thing is to achieve a camshaft retard offset of 0* @1000 RPM, and unles the distributor is installed correctly, this will not be possible and a P1345 will set.

05-23-2009, 11:41 PM	#10
andrew4 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1	how did you fix this problem

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